Apr 29, 2018

2018 APDI Meeting Feb 2018


Brian opened the meeting and welcomed everyone along including some new members who had joined us.

He went on to explain that the committee from Heswall FC had changed and Tim along with Sue were no longer involved in the running of the club or function room. He had been in touch with the new committee and they had agreed that we could continue using the room, so hopefully this will continue for future meetings. If there are any changes we will let you know as soon as possible.


Guest Speakers

Brian went onto welcome our guests for this evening, Peter Fielding and Mike Jones from Upton. Mike has now moved onto a new role with the enforcement side of the DVSA and his new role is overseeing ADI tests including part 2 part 3, standards checks and ORDIT.

There is a new team of 56 examiners conducting ADI tests five days a week, this should improve test availability as well as giving a greater choice of locations for ADI tests. The role was only introduced in October and Mike is still getting into the placement, he is still covering some Learner tests at present. There will be 6-8 managers covering the whole country. Mikes location covers the north west including north wales too. He is attending a meeting next month to find out more.

Mikes role will include giving ADI’s feedback and support in a similar way to the old role of SE ADI’s (Supervising Examiner ADI’s) for those that remember them! The team will look at non compliance of regulations and help to raise and maintain standards. They will monitor instructors pass rates and have the ability to look at pupils presented for test who may not be ready through lack of training. This does not mean to say if you are having a bad run of fails that they will be speaking with you and Mike said that it was nothing for the ADI’s in the room to worry about. Mike also complemented the room and local ADI’s and said that we were the most professional group of ADI’s he had come across, something which Pete also echoed.

Standards being presented for Test.

We have a moral and professional responsibility to only present candidates when they are ready for test. This is in the best interests of the ADI / Candidate / Parent and to ensure they have had sufficient training. School and ADI badges are recorded on DL25.

Information that is shared will include repeat offenders presenting candidates who are not ready for test.

Safer drivers / safe driving for life is the commitment from DVSA. More experienced drivers.

Mike said that ADIs should have a structured curriculum to cover all of the essential skills required. This should be relevant to today’s roads and society. ADIs should keep some form of log or documentation on what is done. This could be using reflection apps or paper based. Some ADI’s don’t do this and he has even seen some just using scraps of paper which does not come over as very professional.

Some examples of topics that need to be covered :

Distraction, peer pressure, music, friends in cars are all things that could and should be introduced on lessons. Mike went onto explain when he was teaching he used to put his students under pressure to get to the train station for a certain time and asked them how they felt with the additional stress and pressures this would cause.

He also gave an example of Wirral's Budget Airline. Would you want to fly with them? 

Mike went on to tell the room that there would be changes in the future to ADI’s checks. These ideas were still under review but could include possible standards checks every 12 months, targeting poor performing ADIs. Mike said that we shouldn’t fear standards checks. They are there to educate and improve standards and give feedback to being better instructors, not to be seen as a way of taking our badges away. That said, there have been some illegal instructors in Wirral recently which have been convicted and sentenced.

Standards Check

Mike and Pete gave a presentation on the SC, which was introduced back in 2015.

You should plan your lesson for the pupil you are attending with. It doesn’t matter on the standard of the pupil, from beginner to partly trained or fully trained or full licence holder.

Some ADI’s think that the better the driver the higher the grade they will get. If there is not a lot going wrong then little learning will take place. Maybe not the right lesson and you should adapt your lesson plan to challenge the driver.

Mike and Pete carried out some role play scenarios to demonstrate some common faults that they have observed on standards checks.

Some things include introducing a topic before the driver is ready, eg introducing junctions before they are ready and are still stalling or lacking in areas such as mirror checks.

You should plan your lesson to include choosing a suitable pupil, have a backup in case they let you down and even a second backup including even a friend or family member.

Look at the standard of the pupil and plan lesson/subject. Agree this with your pupil and get their engagement, this should be relevant to the pupils ability.

Don’t think that you always have to achieve everything you want by the end of the lesson. This is not always possible in an hour as long as you have done as much as you can.

When planning your lesson ask yourself is it the right lesson for your pupil. The pupil may find it too easy or struggle and the most important thing is to be prepared to adapt and change the lesson as you go if necessary.

When planning your route or practice area remember that you should be maximising your time. Mike doesn’t want to see you driving somewhere for 20minutes to complete a 10minute lesson and then drive back for 20minutes. You are trying to showcase your instructional techniques.

Managing the risk through the lesson does not mean that you must state x,y or z at the beginning of the lesson and that is it. It’s about managing the risk throughout the lesson not over instructing or under instructing. Don’t take too much control from the pupil it’s about getting the right balance through the lesson and ensure the pupil understands what they are responsible for.

Ask yourself how the lesson is going.

  • Is the pupil coping with the lesson?
  • Is the lesson too difficult for their ability?
  • Is the lesson too easy for the pupil?
  • Is learning taking place?
  • Evaluate the learning. Ask questions, scaling/improvements, however you analyse it make sure it is relevant and realistic and not just random numbers.


  • What have they improved on?
  • What do they need to do to improve on?
  • Can they explain what they have done better and what can be improved?
  • What needs to be done better to improve on next lesson ?

Conclusion of the lesson

Give feedback at the end of the lesson, this should be professional opinion and honest. Based on their performance and reflective feedback.

New Test

Pete finished the meeting by giving some feedback on the new test. It is bedding in well and doing fine so far and he asked us to continue raising questions as they come up.

The question was asked regarding lack of places to pull up on the right in Wallasey. Is it ok to block a driveway?

Pete said that the candidate would be asked to pull up on the right when it is safe to do so, not just where it is safe. The examiner would control the situation and ask the candidate to maybe continue a bit further along to give enough room to reverse back if necessary. As with the previous reverse left exercise when candidates could temporarily block a driveway before reversing as they are not seen to be parking.

With the show me question on the move, does it matter which side window is opened ? The answer was no, as long as the candidate can do this safely.

Satnav directions can sometimes be misleading. Candidates are being tested on managing the distraction and multi tasking. A quick glance at the screen when safe to do so as well as listening to the instructions is key. Examiners will step in with clarifications if the sat nav gives directions such as turn left when it is a left bend.

One of the important things we should be doing is educating candidates about judging distances. Such as 300yards being roughly the same as 300metres. And the way the sat nav gives an early instruction and then repeats it just before reaching the junction. The more complex the junction usually the earlier the first instruction is given.

Other Business

Paul Mountford from Merseyside police said that he had some information to pass onto us regarding drug driving as arrests for this were on the increase.

He agreed to attend a future APDI meeting and give us a more detailed presentation including advice on what we could look out for if we suspected any of our students are taking drugs or turning up for lessons under the influence.

Date to be confirmed.

Brian closed the meeting and thanked everyone for attending and for Pete and Mike who have given their time to present to us, which we were very grateful for.

Facebook group page & Whatsapp

Members are reminded that we have a Facebook group as well as Whatsapp for communicating amongst members between meetings. If you are not already members, please let our APDI secretary know and you can easily be added. 


The winners of this months raffle were : 

Raffle was drawn and the winners of a bottle of wine each were
Roger Roberts and Andy Kelly.


Our next meeting is
THURSDAY 1st March at 7.15pm

Our next meeting is on Thursday 1st March at 7:15pm. Our guest speaker then will be Gary Jones who is an ADI based at the Mobility Centre in St Asaph North Wales which completes DVSA driver assessments on drivers with mobility or health issues

Petes next LDTM Surgery at Upton will be Monday 5th March at 3:45pm.